Wednesday, December 09, 2009

Anti-Islam SIOE: "Stop Islamization of Europe" Supported by Robert Spencer of Jihad Watch & Pam Geller of Atlas Shrugs

UPDATE: 11:35 AM & 12:37 PM & 1:35 PM Dec. 9, 2009

If a Jew cannot understand why the image (above) is racist, or hateful, or bigoted then they should try imagining it as a synagogue: with blood dripping from a Star of David; with blood dripping down the rabbi’s pulpit; and with blood dripping from the mouth of a skull that wears an Israeli army helmet. …

CST has raised awareness of the activities of extreme Islamist groups in the UK for many years. But to demonise an entire community, every Muslim and every mosque, in the way that SIOE does, shows exactly the kind of bigotry from which Jews have suffered so often in our history. For SIOE to appeal to Jews tosupport them shows a complete ignorance of the Jewish experience of being on the receiving end of exactly this type of politics. …

Hatred, division, cycles of inter-communal violence, intimidation and polarisation feed the extremists on every side. They encourage social division and leave all minorities vulnerable. Anti-Muslim bigotry is a vital recruiting sergeant for both the far right, and its Islamist extremist counterparts. It generates votes for the BNP and, at the furthest ends of this political spectrum, it even provides the fuel for terrorism. British Jews should have no part of it.

…this is the politics of hatred and division, which has nothing positive to offer any part of society. The fact that Muslims are the current target simply means that it is Muslims who should be the recipients of anti-racist solidarity.
Above Quote From Don’t be fooled by Islamophobia
November 30th, 2009 by CST

Anti-Muslim organization Stop Islamization of Europe

SIOE exists to legally combat the overt and covert expansion of Islam in Europe.

SIOE condemns racism as the lowest form of human stupidity, but considers Islamophobia to be the height of common sense.

SIOE states that Islam and democracy are incompatible due to teachings within the Koran itself and some of the hadiths which comprise sharia law.

It has always been the case, but also increasingly so, that in Islamic countries, whether “democratic” or not, non-Muslims are at best treated as second class citizens, or at worst oppressed.

From SIOE website

Both Pam Geller andRobert Spencer are hyping the British anti-Muslim organization Stop Islamization of Europe SIOE. Spencer & Geller et al are not just concerned about some Islamic extremists but as far as they are concerned all Muslims are potential terrorists or are patiently working towards making Europe into an Islamic run state based upon Sharia law.

Harrow Dec 13 - SIOE supports War Criminals

EDL + SIOE opposed by Christians + Jews-Dec. 8,2009

and here's EDL's the Neo-Nazi party of thugs tie to the BNP:British National Party in my last post
Neo-Nazi EDL (English Defense League ) a front for BNP?
from bnpinfo

"Dhimmi "Jewish Councils" - Pam Geller at Atlas Shugs and other anti-Muslim Islamophobes use the phrase "Dhimmi" as an insult based upon their views the way non-Muslims are characterized and treated especially in countries which are predominately Muslim and where Sharia Muslim law is practiced. These non-Muslims the Dhimmi are treated as second class citizens who are not considered as being equal to practicing Muslims. Historically the Dhimmi were required to pay out a special tax to their Muslim rulers a tax from Muslims were exempt. The Dhimmi were often made to wear distinctive clothing so Muslim citizens would know that these people were non-Muslims who shouldn't be treated as equals or with the same respect as other Muslim citizens.

So according to Pam Geller et al Jewish Councils and other groups which promote more dialogue and understanding of the European Muslim community are acquiessing and "kow towing" to Muslim demands. They argue that these "Dhimmi Jews" and other non-Muslims show far too much deference to Muslims and Islam in the mistaken belief that Islam is just another religion which deserves to be treated with respect and that then Muslims will show their respect for all non-Muslim religions.

For instance Geert Wilders and others argue that in fact Islam is not strictly speaking a religion similar to all other religions. Wilders claims that Islam is more in tune with a political and social ideology which is essentially "Totalitarian " by nature. Islam does not believe in the separation of Church and state but rather that the state must rule according to Islamic principles and laws ie Sharia. Therefore the government and rulers and all in positions of authority in an Islamic state must be exemplary Muslims , Islamic religious leaders,Imams, Mullahs etc.

But Islam ,it is argued by these anti-Muslims is not just another religion, since in its Mosque and in the Quran Muslims are told that their religion is the only true religion which is therefore superior to all other religions . Therefore according to this view all other religions must be at least subdued or outlawed all together. Eventually the whole world and all the nations will come under Islamic rule and Sharia law by a process of Jihad and forcible conversion or by a longer "Stealth Jihad " of assimilation.

This brings us to the concept of Taqiyya which these anti-Muslim claim to be at the heart of Islam that is Lying and deceiving are permissible in Islam.If this is so then it they reason that is therefore the duty to all Muslims to lie to the enemy. So if the Muslims in America or Europe are all lying claiming they are not involved with a Jihad then they must be in fact involved in a Jihad-brilliant piece of reasoning. And what would it mean if a Muslim American said they were involved in a Jihad and hated all American or Europeans is he still lying- bring in Monty Python for this-

By invoking Taqiyya it is therefore naive to trust any Muslim or Muslim leader of a country. This also allows for some to justify the conspiracy theory that Barack Obama may in fact be a "Secret Muslim" since in that case it would be his duty to lie in order to pursue his real agenda.

as Pam Geller of Atlas Shrugs argues in her article at WorldNetDaily Obama's Islam: Now he tells us June 10,2009:

We should have seen all this coming. Obama deceitfully hid his Muslim background and schooling and his agenda. I started writing about Obama’s religious Muslim background in January 2007, and throughout 2007 and 2008 I presented evidence of Obama’s identification as a Muslim when he was a child, his extremist Muslim family and his Islamic schooling. In December 2007, I wrote, “Barack Obama went to a madrassa in Jakarta. A madrassa in a Muslim country. Whether he was devout or secular, he knows what was taught. He knows what is in the Quran. Even if he is ambiguous, he knows the stakes involved. His father was a Muslim who took three wives (without divorcing). His stepfather and close members of his family are devout Muslims. Not an unimportant influence.” And who can forget Obama’s bald-faced lies to the Jews? In February 2008, Obama told Jewish leaders: “If anyone is still puzzled about the facts, in fact I have never been a Muslim.” Yet he was registered as a Muslim in an Indonesian school…And so now we have our first Muslim presidency, just eight years after 9/11. The media can spin their subjugation and adulation a million different ways, but America did not vote for a “Muslim presidency,” which is what this is. Everything this president has done so far has helped foster America’s submission to Islam.

Christians we are told never lie or deceive -what planet are they on. Even saintly George Bush lied 973 time and mass murder Iraqis for the oil and revenge. One could say that ideally Christians are not supposed to lie but this does not hold true in the real world.Even the Crusades were based upon lies and deception. The Popes claimed it was "God's Will" yet the Crusades had more to do with the mundane politics of the Vatican and European leaders. The Pope being fearful of losing his power over Europe decided on a Crusade as a way to distract European Nobles . The Nobels were given the backing of the Church to plunder and seize land and booty in the Holy land. Anyway even today Christian apologist lie about what the Crusades were really about.

Pam Geller insists that "Jewish Councils" which criticize SIOE are in fact Kow Towing to Islam and therefore should be ignored.

"Atlas Urges Jews Worldwide to Support SIOE, Ignore Dhimmi "Jewish Councils" Nov. 30, 2009

Prime Minister of Turkey Recep Tayyip Erdogan publicly read an Islamic poem including the lines here:

“The mosques are our barracks, the domes our helmets, the minarets our bayonets and Muslims our soldiers…”

The Swiss get it. Are the Jews going to shuffle onto the trains yet again? Not me. No way.

GO! December 13: Stop the Islamisation of Europe UK Event - Atlas Shrugs

and from Stop Islamization of Europe SIOE:WebsiteAbout SIOE



Stop Islamisation Of Europe (SIOE) is an alliance of people across Europe with the single aim of preventing Islam becoming a dominant political force in Europe.
It originated with the joining of Stop Islamificering Af Danmark (SIAD), a political party dedicated to stopping the Islamisation in Denmark, with a loose association of people in England, whose rallying cry is “No Sharia Here”, who want to maintain English law and want to stop the creeping growth of sharia law in England.
SIOE is growing in Europe with the amalgamation of similarly minded groups.


SIOE exists to legally combat the overt and covert expansion of Islam in Europe.

SIOE condemns racism as the lowest form of human stupidity, but considers Islamophobia to be the height of common sense.

SIOE states that Islam and democracy are incompatible due to teachings within the Koran itself and some of the hadiths which comprise sharia law.

It has always been the case, but also increasingly so, that in Islamic countries, whether “democratic” or not, non-Muslims are at best treated as second class citizens, or at worst oppressed.

SIOE believes this to be due to the teachings of Islam, which encourages Muslims to feel superior to non-Muslims, and that Islam must prevail over any other religion and political system, by any means.

SIOE finds the concept of “moderate” Muslims difficult because of the Islamic practises of Taqiyya (lying/deceiving) and Kitman which are designed to deceive and mislead non-Muslims in order to promote the ascendance of Islam over any other religion and political system.

Therefore, if a political party’s leaders and members may be accused of lying and their policies challenged, then so should a religion’s, especially Islam, which considers lying to be not only acceptable, but obligatory in the furtherance of its doctrine.

Furthermore, SIOE wants all religions to be treated in law the same way as political parties with no special legal protection. This should apply especially to Islam because it is a combined political, legal and judicial system administered and overseen by un-elected theologians, completely contrary to Western concepts of democracy.

This is why democracy is failing in Islamic countries and giving way to Islamic theocracy.

SIOE considers that those Western politicians, journalists, academics and social groups, who support Islam, are deliberately misleading Europeans as to the nature of Islam. This is particularly evident in the non-reporting of Islamist atrocities around the world, but also in the re-writing of history to portray Islam in a favourable light as a non-aggressive religion.

SIOE reflects the attitude of most people in Europe that Islam is being favoured above indigenous European cultures and that Muslims are being selectively protected by politicians and lawyers at the expense of non-Muslims who often find themselves unprotected.

SIOE challenges the funding by Saudi Arabia for the building of mosques and other Islamic institutions in Europe and elsewhere around the world, when that country outlaws religions other than Islam, politics other than Islam and legislature other than Islam. Such asymmetric funding must be stopped.

No more mosques until we see churches in Mecca.

UK Jewish Group Urges Jews not to be Fooled by Fascists
Posted on 01 December 2009 by Zingel at

LGF has a post on a UK Jewish council that is urging Jews not to be fooled by fascists and Islamophobes. Interestingly, Pamela Geller and Rabbi Jon Hausman don’t seem to have gotten the memo, as both are open and belligerent supporters of Euro-Supremacists such as Geert Wilders and Stop the Islamisation of Europe (SIOE).

British Jewish advocacy group CST appeals to Jews not to take part in an upcoming demonstration by far right Eurofascists: Don’t be fooled by Islamophobia.

A small Islamophobic group, called Stop Islamisation Of Europe (SIOE), has called for 1,000 Jews to attend its forthcoming demonstration at Harrow mosque; and for each Jew to bring an Israeli flag.

This is strikingly similar to appeals that have also been made in recent months by the English Defence League (EDL). It is also essentially the same as opportunistic attempts by British National Party leader Nick Griffin to ditch both his and his party’s antisemitic heritage, by stressing his supposed new-foundsupport for Israel and Jews.

and more on the EDL : "BBC: Under the Skin of the English Defense League" 13 October 2009 by Emperor at Loonwatch

When the anti-Muslim, pseudo-intellectual bloggers and their fellow travelers from America go to Europe they hob nob with groups such as this.

...The organisation is about seven months old and only started gathering any kind of momentum after 10 Muslim extremists staged an anti-war demo at a Royal Anglian Regiment parade in Luton in March this year.

The big divisions are in Luton, Birmingham, Bristol and Cardiff. They are a rag tag group of about 400 self-styled English patriots, loosely affiliated with football hooligan firms.

also see: Swiss Politician Calls for Ban on Muslim and Jewish Cemeteries; LW Proposes Ban on Shawarmas Posted on 05 December 2009 by Danios at Loonwatch

also see:

Far-Right Fears
New Push To Outlaw Germany's Neo-Nazi Party
Spiegel Online Sept. 9, 2009

Right wing extremist political party, the NPD, was re-elected in Saxony two weeks ago. Now a leading politician in Bavaria wants to seek a national ban on them. But his push is causing political conflict. Because while most German politicians want to stop the NPD, they can't decide how best to do so.

The far-rightNational Democratic Party (NPD) recently made gains in state elections in Saxony. Now a politician in the German state of Bavaria wants to launch a new bid to ban them.

"Bavaria will not just look on as the NPD, an enemy of the constitution, drives to establish itself," Bavarian Interior Minister Joachim Herrmann, a member of the conservative Christian Social Union (CSU), told the Süddeutsche Zeitung newspaper.

and so it goes,

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