Thursday, February 12, 2009

Are Israel and America Guided By Divine Providence

UPDATE: 1:44 & 1:57 & 2:40 PM Feb. 12, 2009

Obama & Hillary Clinton & Unconditional support of Israel
Not all critics of Israel are anti-Israel or anti-Semitic
anti-Semitics as paranoid & delusional who believe in such fraudulent documents as The Protocols and who deny the Holocaust
Evangelicals & Israel's role in the End-Times
Israel and America and their Fantasies of Being Guided by Providence and God leads to dangerous rhetoric and deadly actions

Hillary Clinton at Democratic debate April 16, 2008, MSNBC's Countdown with Keith Olbermann April 21, 2008 and ABC's Good Morning America, April 22, 2008

John Hagee says God Sent Katrina to punish US for not Supporting Israeli Settlements
PBS: Bill Moyers Journal
John Hagee says that God sent Katrina to punish US for allowing Jewish settlers to be displaced from land that they stole after 1967

In the above clip notice that the audience is told by

Brigitte Gabriel of The American Congress For Truth (see video below)that they as Americans should be spying on their Muslim neighbors and on the local Mosque and taking down names and details and reporting these to the FBI or Homeland Security. Then the speakers go after academics at universities and colleges claiming that they should take note of any criticisms of Israel or of American/Israeli foreign policy . They are also told to monitor their local newspapers and the Media and internet to out any who are critical of Israel. Hagee and his supporters see no difference between a Holocaust denier or anti-Semitic and someone who is open to debate on Israel's policies on the Palestinians etc. So if some students are in a class at university and they debate about the morality of Israel's treatment of the Palestinians or discuss whether or not such a policy is beneficial or not to Israel then I guess the professor should be fired and the students shunned who willingly took part in such a discussion.

It is disturbing to know that someone as hawkish and as pro-Israel as Hillary Clinton is part of Obama's administration. She has indicated that if she had her way she would be willing to obliterate Iran if Iran attacked Israel with Nuclear weapons. But this leads to a slippery slope of deterrence and pre-emptive strikes. So if Iran is suspected of building nuclear weapons should the US attack Iran to prevent them from building and stock piling nuclear weapons. Hillary Clinton was one hundred percent in favor of the invasion and occupations of Iraq and Afghanistan so she is in favor of retaliation and of pre-emptive attacks on countries deemed to be a threat.Obama has in creating his administration surrounded himself with people who are hawks and pro-Israel.

Hillary Clinton's Fanatical Support of Israel is shown by the fact that she has said she would Nuke Iran possibly causing a Global Nuclear War . Would Russia or Pakistan or China just stand by as Israel & America Nuke Iran. The other issue here is that Hillary like Obama are both in denial about Israel's Nuclear capabilities. Israel in such a scenario has enough Nukes (300-400)that it could easily wipe out Iran and drop a few Nukes on other Arab and Islamic countries to keep them in line.

The fear is she will encourage Obama to attack Iran pre-emptively as America attacked Iraq . It need not be nuclear but by conventional means turning Iran into a graveyard not to protect America but supposedly Israel. Has she and America learned nothing from their fiasco in Iraq. Ah well they didn't learn from Vietnam so don't count on rationality when it comes to any American administration. The US is still being led by people who believe in America's Exceptionalism and that America is fulfilling literally Divine Providence in the same way that Israelis also believe they are fulfilling Divine Providence. When American's say " God Bless America " they take this literally to mean that God is directing America in a certain direction. It also means that when America does something which they believe offends God these "true Believers " claim God chastises and punishes America.

So it is no wonder that to Clinton and Obama Israel's attack on Gaza was a mere skirmish compared to what they will allow Israel to do in the future with America's blessing and full backing . So the deaths of 1,300 Gazans is nothing to them in the scheme of things. Is their backing of Israel pragmatic in the sense of maintaining America's influence in the Middle East .

Is unwavering support of Israel a good strategy or does it do more harm to America's interests and its reputation. It is difficult to expect reasoned arguments in reference to Israel since the issue is a mixture of politics and religion.The fervor with which they defend Israel is such that they characterize any criticisms of Israel as being anti-Israel and anti-Semitic. By doing so they insist on shutting down those who dare criticize Israel or America's support of Israel. They are not willing to have an open debate about issues concerning Israel. As we see the supporters of Israel though go so far as to to publicly denounce any journalist or academic in America who might criticize Israel's policies no matter how reasonable these criticisms are. But to the supporters of Israel there is no difference to be made between a Neo-Nazis anti-Semitism in their attacks on all Jews and that of an academic trying to untangle the complicated issues of the Israeli-Palestinian situation.

As various critics time and again point out that criticizing particular policies of Israel does not mean that one wants Israel destroyed or that one believes in some sort of Jewish Grand Conspiracy. The Grand Conspiracy diatribes one reads and sees promulgated on the net and on YOUTUBE are a continuation of the sort of anti-Semitic nonsense found in the fraudulent , bogus fantasy of The Protocols of the Elders of Zion which was invented or fabricated by the Russian Secret Police at the beginning of the twentieth century . The Protocols were then spread around the world by various anti-Semites and by those who were anti-Communists who believed that by claiming Communism was all part of some nefarious plot by the Jews to take over the world this would undermine Communism and Socialism. In the US it was Henry Ford who published a series of articles base on The Protocols which Ford claimed to be authentic.

So we must be careful that we do not in any way in our critique of Israel that we are seen as tacitly approving of such anti-Semitic nonsense.There are secular and religious Jews in Israel who do not approve of some Israel's policies especially with how to deal with the Palestinians. There are also Jews outside Israel who do not support all of Israel's policies.It also has to be said that there is nothing essentially wrong with Israel trying to influence the US government in regards to Israel's interests. Other countries also try to influence the US in regards to their interests. But what is in the interests of Israel may not be in America's interests in the same way that what might be in Canada's or Britain's or Australia's interests may not be in America's interests.

Jews as lost- they rejected Jesus and they rejected Father of Zionism Theodore Herschel and so are then punished by Hitler
John Hagee-- 'Hitler Was Fulfilling God's Will For Israel'
at The Young Turks -May 21, 2008

John Hagee sounds like Osama Bin Laden -The Young Turks

Here's a bit from CSPAN about the Middle East Iran and Israel

Re: AIPAC is pushing us to war with Iran for Israel

"There are pro-Israel groups, not just Jewish - many of them are Christian fundamentalists, that believe in supporting the Israeli government no matter what it does and no matter what it wants. These people are all upset and excited about Iran and are pushing hard for a confrontational stance." - Barbara Slavin

Israel's influence of US policy & the Israeli lobby
Scott Ritter Nov. 08, 2006

And also see the article:The Wrong Man for the Job by Scott Ritter TruthDig Jan. 24, 2009 (
in which Scott Ritter argues that the selection of Richard Holbrooke as special envoy for Afghanistan and Pakistan is the wrong choice because he has a militaristic mindset and has shown himself more interested in a military solution as opposed to diplomacy and other measures to resolve problems.

Democracy Now! The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy-May 24,2006

In the recent study "The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy", the authors of the paper, Professor Stephen Walt of Harvard University and John Mearsheimer of the University of Chicago, charge that the United States has willingly set aside its own security and that of many of its allies in order to advance the interests of Israel. In addition the study accuses the pro-Israeli lobby, particularly AIPAC of manipulating the U.S. media, policing academia and silencing critics of Israel by labeling them as anti-Semitic.

And here's a bit more on Brigitte Gabriel and her organization Act For America.

Brigitte Gabriel's fears about Isalm is basically little different from the delusional thinking of anti-Semitism. The fantasies of anti-Semitism which claims Jews are at work trying to take over the world is replaced by her belief that Muslims are secretly preparing to take over America and the world. She claims that Muslims in America and elsewhere are acting as a fifth column to infiltrate all aspects of American Society in order to take over America and other Western countries.

The next clip is from Gabriel's website:

Act For America : Brigitte Gabriel

American Congress For truth Bigitte Gabriel

War has been declared on Christians, Jews, non-Muslims and secularists worldwide by Islamic extremists...simply because we are infidels according to their belief. As Islamic fundamentalism spreads its tentacles worldwide, it is crucial for the people of the Western world to understand the danger, know what to expect, and know what to do about it.

Threats and realities of forced conversions to Islam, beheadings, torture and murder are quickly becoming commonplace. They’re rarely mentioned in the news and when they are, it’s with a disclaimer…the word “insurgent” has replaced the truth of “terrorists.”

Political correctness is killing us.

And check out :
CUFI: Christians United For Israel
which includes John Hagee, Gary Bauer & pastor Rod Parsley

Christians United for Israel has held over 80 Nights to Honor Israel in cities across America since February 2006.

A Night to Honor Israel is an evening packed with outstanding speakers and music with all of the focus being on support for Israel and the Jewish people. In the Bible, God says, “I will bless those that bless you and curse those that curse you.”

Christians in America and around the world should support Israel and the Jewish People. Israel is the only nation on the face of the earth where God created the boundaries and gave it to His people, the Jews, for all time. The choice is very clear; Christians can either choose to be a friend and supporter of Israel and please the Lord or be an enemy of Israel and offend God. God has protected Israel in the past and will continue that protection forever. Join us for a life changing event that will open your eyes to Israel and the Jewish people.

also see:Political Research Associates: Right Web

and: American Values Gary L. Bauer, President

and : Center For Moral Clarity / World Harvest Church of Rod Parsley

and for instance article about Rod Parsley at Worldnetdaily WND Exclusive "U.S. founded to destroy Islam? Pastor's book calls America to be 'Silent No More' "June 23, 2005

and so it goes,

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