Thursday, July 12, 2012

Donnie and Marie Osmond And Mormonism's Creed: " Pray, Pay and Obey" Propaganda 101

Banner of The Mormon Curtain website:

On Mormonism free speech denied to members of the Church in regard to church doctrine ,scriptures and the history of the Church. The Church has a siege mentality and characterizes itself as us against them and  sees any criticism as an attack on the Church .

"    ...Instead of welcoming debate and embracing honest dialogue concerning its rich and deeply flawed history, the modern LDS Church has been conspicuously quiet about anything controversial. For many devout but conflicted members, the silence is deafening. There is no official forum for such discussion – no publication where the church openly confronts, confirms, or refutes information that challenges the historical and doctrinal underpinnings of its faith. The church provides its members with no tangible defenses against the steady flow of evidence against its claims. Instead, it endeavors to comfort questioning members with all-to-familiar platitudes, such as “answers to any question can be found in the scriptures,” or “these things are ultimately a matter of faith, and require fasting and prayer to work through.” It is not uncommon to hear assurances from priesthood leadership that “anti-Mormon” publications should be avoided as they have no merit and will only deflate and discourage. Besides, they are the products of bitter, disaffected ex-Mormons with “axes to grind.”

...While the Church clearly allows individuals in question to make their choice, it has not granted itself this same freedom – the freedom to critically examine or redefine itself, even as waves of historical and scientific discovery beat at its door. Sadly, the church has backed itself into a corner and allowed little room for accommodation: 175 years of prophets and apostles have drawn their lines in the concrete! The Book of Mormon is the word of God, or it isn't. The First Vision happened the way Joseph Smith said it did, or it didn't happen at all. The Church is either the work of God, or an abject fraud. Simply put, the church has presented itself as a giant monolithic pillar of truth to be either wholly accepted or entirely rejected. As a result, it is not prepared to deal with members who view its history as an ever-evolving, intricate web of stories, conflicts, and deeply flawed characters that is both an inspiring piece of art and a mangled mess at the same time."

Above quotes from Free Speech and Excommunication: The Dichotomy of Two Mormon Values at O'Say What Is

Mormons helping people to pray away being Gay or being black.
The Mormon Church does not lead but follows when it is in its interests to maintain its position and its wealth and to improve its public image.

If Blacks become faithful Mormons according to the Churches basic doctrines and religious text then their skin color will become lighter and eventually white.

Mormons claim they are not racist or bigoted yet its leaders known as Prophets when speaking in public and especially when speaking to Mormons exclusively had been adamant for some hundred years or more  that even one drop of Negro blood taints an individual so that they are not worthy of being a member of the Church's Priesthood and hierarchy.

Note other so called Christian sects such as many Evangelical Fundamentalist were also historically racist until there was a public and government backlash about their racist views and policies. These Evangelicals were forced in the mid 1970s to make a choice either to continue their racist policies and be denied government funding or their tax exempt status besides public condemnation. So many adapted their policies to their needs but did not necessarily change their basic doctrines and beliefs about Blacks or other people of colour .

For more on Mormon doctrine and deception and historical revisionism check out website operated by ex-Mormons The Mormon Curtain
"Containing 4,999 Articles Spanning 346 Topics
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Donny And  Marie Osmond On Why Blacks Can't Hold Priesthood In Mormon Church And Why Women Must Be Silent

Donny and Marie Osmond are being disingenuous regarding why Blacks can not be allowed into the priesthood or are really ignorant of the LDS Church doctrine.
The issue of Black people in the Mormon Church is not just some sort of outdated policy but is part of Joseph Smith's revelation .
This revelation in regards to blacks was muted as it were due to increasing pressure put on the Church by non-Mormons.
When the doctrine became a major public relations issue the elders changed the policy but not necessarily the basic doctrine and revelations about Black people or other people of color.
The doctrine concerning people of color was defended by the successive leaders of the Church from the 19th century up until 1978.
A similar change took place in the doctrine and revelation of polygamy.
Prophet Joseph Smith claimed that polygamy was part of the doctrine given to him by God.
In fact he claimed that polygamy was not just permitted but was considered as an essential part of the Mormon creed and that all Mormon men were to practice polygamy as part of their duty as Mormons.

Recent Conspicuous Quotes From Prominent Mormons

Besides the offical Church of Mormon there are also groups of Mormons who have broken away from the official Church. One major sect calls itself Fundamentalist Latter Day Saints which believes that the official Church has abandoned some of the essential doctrines as revealed by the founder and prophet joseph Smith such as the practice of polygamy and keeping the races separated.
We find that the basic fundamental doctrine and revelation of Joseph Smith and the successive prophets of the Church is that the teachings of Joseph Smith and the Book of Mormon trump the teachings of Jesus and of the Bible.
In this sense it appears quite obvious that the LDS Church is not Christian .
For instance Islam teaches that Jesus was a prophet and wise teacher but Islam denies Jesus being the Son of God or as being divine in any way .
Should Christians accept Muslims as Christians even though they deny Jesus divinity or his role as The Messiah as taught by Christian Churches.

But for our purposes we should question whether the Mormon elders have really abandoned these inconvenient doctrines or are merely adapted their public statements to improve their public image while not actually changing their basic doctrines. Is this the Mormon Church adopting Politically Correctness in their public speeches and pronouncements. I.E. propaganda 101.

In this next video we hear from a Fundamentalist Mormon Prophet who claims the Church has become an apostate Church by no longer acting according to Mormon Doctrines and Scriptures as revealed to the world by Joseph Smith translation of the Book of Mormon and Joseph Smith's revelations which he claim to receive fro God or by Angelic messengers of God/Elohim.

Mormon Prophet Testifies Blacks are EVIL

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In 2005, the Intelligence Report published the following statements made by Warren Jeffs, President of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints: 1. "The black race is the people through which the devil has always been able to bring evil unto the earth."
2. "[Cain was] cursed with a black skin and he is the father of the Negro people. He has great power, can appear and disappear. He is used by the devil, as a mortal man, to do great evils."
3. "Today you can see a black man with a white woman, et cetera. A great evil has happened on this land because the devil knows that if all the people have Negro blood, there will be nobody worthy to have the priesthood."
4. "If you marry a person who has connections with a Negro, you would become cursed."[3]"

BRIGHAM YOUNG"I have never yet preached a sermon and sent it out to the Children of men,that they may not call SCRIPTURE!
" Journal of Discourses,Volume13,page 95.

"You see some classes of the human family that are black...will be cursed the longest of any one of the children of Adam.Cain...the Lord put a mark on him,which is the flat nose and black skin.Trace mankind down to after the flood,and then other curse is pronounced upon the same race..."Journal of Discourses, Volume7,pages 290 291

This teaches LDS Mormons that the king of Egypt (a Black African) is of the seed of CAIN and HAM by birth

21 Now this king of Egypt was a descendant from the loins of Ham, and was a partaker of the blood of the Canaanites by birth.

This teaches LDS Mormons that the king of Egypt (a Black African) can't have the priesthood because he is of the seed of CAIN and HAM

And is The Church of Mormon a mainstream religion or a cult here 's an article from the Mormon Curtain 's website section entitled "Pray,Pay and Obey" by Mormon dissenters who wish to to remain anonymous since The Mormon Church does not encourage any sort of real dissent. The article is not just talking about the Church's distant6 past but also about its current policies and doctrines as of 2005.

The Church's Prophets and elders often send out messages to members as being Church doctrine and revelations unless they are trying downplay some doctrine they then refer to the same doctrine as an merely an opinion or a product of the particular time. So the elders are a wiley group who see no problem fabricating doctrines or rewriting even the revealtions of Prophet Joseph Smith to align that past doctrine with the new doctrine. As I have said before it is very similar to Winston Smith's work at the Ministry of Truth in the novel 1984 in which he rewrites newspaper article to fit the newest statement by Big Brother and his minions as he then tosses the unedited version down the Memory Hole. This is propaganda in action. He who controls the past controls the present and the future.

LDS Church Leaders Call For Cult-Like "Unquestioned Obedience" Original Author(s): Deconstructor OBEDIENCE - PAY, PRAY, OBEY -Guid- at The Mormon Curtain ,January 25,2005

Is the church getting more cultish or mainstream?

Excerpts from "Beleive All Things" by Elder Robert Oaks:

"For us, to 'believe all things' means to believe the doctrine of the restored gospel of Jesus Christ as well as the words of the Latterday prophets. It means to successfully erase our doubts and reservations. It means that in making spiritual commitments, we are prepared to hold nothing back. It means we are ready to consecrate our lives to the work of the kingdom."

"The more we believe, the easier faith-based obedience becomes. Hence the value of 'believing all things.'"

"We are instructed to be like children, who are willing to be taught and then to act without first demanding full knowledge."

"Some members are constantly evaluating the gospel by the standards of the world. They may think, 'That is not how I think the Lord would want it done,' or, 'Based on my understanding of the scriptures, the Church position should have been . . .'”

"Some Church members may have reservations because of a physical appetite they are not quite willing to surrender."

"Other common reservations are flagged by words such as 'yes, but . . .' when scriptures or prophets are quoted. Or we may hear, 'I am not going to let the Church make my decisions for me...'”

"Obedience is a fundamental law of the gospel. It is not only the demonstration of our faith but also the foundation of our faith. But the philosophical standard of the world holds that unquestioning obedience equals blind obedience, and blind obedience is mindless obedience. This is simply not true. Unquestioning obedience to the Lord indicates that a person has developed faith and trust in Him to the point where he or she considers all inspired instruction — whether it be recorded scripture or the words of modern prophets — to be worthy of obedience."

"One day there will be answers to all our questions, and they will be based on divine fairness and love. The Lord will not hold people accountable for factors over which they have no control."

"Let us believe all things. Let us have unquestioning faith in all of the doctrines and truths of the restored gospel."

"Helps for Family Home Evening: 1. Blindfold one family member. Have a parent guide him or her through a set of obstacles. Compare this activity to the doctrines presented in this article."
- Elder Robert Oaks, Believe All Things," July 05 Ensign, page 30,

Those words echo the recent teachings of other Mormon Church leaders:

"I know a 17-year-old who, just prior to the prophet’s talk, had pierced her ears a second time. She came home from the fireside, took off the second set of earrings, and simply said to her parents, 'If President Hinckley says we should only wear one set of earrings, that’s good enough for me.'"

"Wearing two pair of earrings may or may not have eternal consequences for this young woman, but her willingness to obey the prophet will. And if she will obey him now, on something relatively simple, how much easier it will be to follow him when greater issues are at stake."
- Apostle M. Russell Ballard, “His Word Ye Shall Receive,” Ensign, May 2001, 65

"But no child in this Church should be left with uncertainty about his or her parents' devotion to the Lord Jesus Christ, the Restoration of His Church, and the reality of living prophets and apostles who, now as in earlier days, lead that Church according to 'the will of the Lord, . . . the mind of the Lord, . . . the word of the Lord, . . . and the power of God unto salvation.' In such basic matters of faith, prophets do not apologize for requesting unity, indeed conformity, in the eloquent sense that the Prophet Joseph Smith used that latter word. In any case, as Elder Neal Maxwell once said to me in a hallway conversation, 'There didn't seem to be any problem with conformity the day the Red Sea opened.'"
- Apostle Jeffrey R. Holland, General Conference, Sunday April 6th 2003

"The book of Revelation declares: 'I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth' (Revelation 3:15-16)."

"I make you a promise, my dear brethren, that while I am serving in my present responsibility I will never consent to nor advocate any policy, any program, any doctrine which will be otherwise than beneficial to the membership of this, the Lord's Church."

"This is His work. He established it. He has revealed its doctrine. He has outlined its practices. He created its government. It is His work and His kingdom, and He has said, 'They who are not for me are against me' (2 Nephi 10:16)."

"Each of us has to face the matter-either the Church is true, or it is a fraud. There is no middle ground. It is the Church and kingdom of God, or it is nothing."
- President Gordon B. Hinckley. "Loyalty," April Conference, 2003.

BYU's Maxwell Institute Purges Mormon Studies Review Editor Daniel Peterson And Four Of His Associate Editors; John Dehlin Accused Of Instigating It at Mormonism-Unveiled, June 22,2012

The Salt Lake Tribune reports that the Neal A. Maxwell Institute for Religious Scholarship at Brigham Young University has conducted a Soviet-style purge, firing longtime Mormon Studies Review editor Daniel Peterson. Peterson himself reveals that the purge included four of his associate editors; Louis C. Midgley, George L. Mitton, Gregory L. Smith, and Robert B. White.

Peterson, an expert on Islamic and Arabic studies and a weekly columnist for the Deseret News, edited Mormon Studies Review for 23 years. He also helped establish Foundation for Ancient Research and Mormon Studies (FARMS) in 1979 to promote, coordinate, and publicize Book of Mormon research. In 1998, both FARMS and the Review were brought into BYU under the umbrella of the Maxwell Institute. 

Commentary published in the Review was often quite robust, particularly when rebutting those who challenged LDS origins. But the tipping point may have come from a 100-page article about John Dehlin, a church member in Logan who launched Mormon Stories, which welcomes those who question aspects of LDS history, practice and theology. Dehlin decided the article was an ad hominem attack upon him, and so he allegedly cried on the shoulder of his own personal General Authority. The next thing we knew, Maxwell Institute Director Gerald Bradford pulled the article from the journal, and shortly thereafter, the axe fell on Peterson. But in his Examiner piece, Timothy Berman cautions us that he found no substantial evidence to support the Tribune's assertion that Dehlin had exerted any type of influence to have an article removed from publication, nor any evidence that the article actually made any personal attacks against Dehlin.

Surprisingly, neither the Deseret News nor KSL Channel 5, both owned by the LDS Church, have published stories on this development as of this post.

also see:

The Mormon Purge: Documenting the plague of Excommunications in the early 1990's of hundreds of conservative Mormons. Reasons, ramifications, reflections. by Sterling D. Allan Commenced Jan. 17, 2005

Mormonism-Unveiled: Fact Vs. Fancy Mormonism-Unveiled provides a discussion of Latter-day Saint (Mormon) doctrines, practices, and current events from the pro-LDS point of view.

website about Mormon History O'Say What Is Devoted to the Critical Exploration of Mormon History


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